Graduation Requirements (updated July 17, 2014)
A warrior graduates from Basic Duel 2 arenas to Advanced Duel 2 arenas after meeting certain requirements. This page is an attempt to quantify what a warrior needs to graduate. This is a work in progress and requirements change somewhat over time. If you have examples (or counter examples), please contact Assur to help this information become better.In early 2010, several changes appear to have been made. Several high FE warriors (around 90 FE) were pulled after the Spring Mail In. There was also a 30 FE warrior pulled because of skill total.
2014 Update! The chart below is NOT accurate. It is not clear that it was ever accurate, but it certainly isn't accurate today. The early graduation criteria is much more complex than initially thought. The normal graduation criteria and the low rating graduations are accurate (other than the unclarity on Arena FE required with no ratings). Assur believes the inputs are correct (PP's/FE/Arena Record/Skills) but it definitely appears to be a sliding scale. The following generalizations can be made, however:
- Graduating with less than 17 PP's is difficult (or maybe impossible)
- There is an error in the rollback routine that seems to sometimes cause warriors to get 'invisible PP's. It is believed this happens when arenas get rerun.
- Graduating with less than 30FE seems to require a high number of skills (140+)
- Graduating with more than 30FE is much easier
- TC's add something to the formula. Whether it is simply more PP's or something else is unclear.
Definitions
PP's (Political Points) - You gain 5 PP's for every TV or TC. You gain 3 PP's for each turn you spend as Duelmaster. You get 2 PP's for each turn you are ranked as a Challenger Champion. Usually, errors are on the manager's count. However, there are more than a few examples of RSI errors in PP counts (usually double counted PP's or miscounted PP's). There have also been differing reports of how many PP's are gained for a Duelmaster that isn't a Challenger Champion.FE (Fight Equivalent) - You gain 1 FE for every fight in the arena (unless you died in that fight). You gain 1 FE every time you fight on an odd turn in a tournament. (Put another way, you divide your fights in the tournament by two and round up but do not include grudge matches or fights resulting in death in this count. Grudge matches add an FE if the grudge match is on an odd turn)
Ratings - Expert counts as 1 rating, Advanced Expert or higher counts as 2 ratings (except possibly for underskilled Advanced Expert counts as 1 rating). Ratings must be in areas specific to the style. The following is not completely verified.
- Aimed Blows: Attack, Riposte, Parry
- Bashers: Attack, Decisiveness, Initiative
- Lungers: Defense, Initiative, Attack
- Parry Lungers: Initiative, Parry, Attack
- Parry Ripostes: Attack, Parry, Riposte
- Parry Strikers: Decisiveness, Parry, Attack
- Slashers: Attack, Decisiveness, Initiative
- Strikers: Attack, Decisiveness, Initiative
- Total Parries: Defense, Parry, Riposte
- Wall of Steels: Attack, Initiative, Parry
Total Skills - The total number of skills your warrior has (including base, burned, and learned skills).
The Chart
| Description | PP's | FE | Ratings | Arena FE | Arena Wins | Total Skills | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Normal Graduation | 17 | - | 3 | 20 | 14 | - | If your warrior doesn't graduate when meeting these requirements, there is likely an error in the warrior's records. These requirements have been in place for almost as long as DM has been around. |
| 17 PP's + 10 Wins + 125 Skills | 17? | ?? | ?? | ?? | 10 | 125 | One of the early graduation criteria appears to be ?? PP's, 10 Arena Wins, and 125 Total Skills. Variation has been seen on the PP requirement (sliding scale with total skills?). (Stanley's Cup: invite from 9 to 10 wins) (Green Bean: 29 PP's, 142 Skills, 10-2-1, 34FE, invite from 9 to 10 wins) (Honest Jiles: 21 PP's, 166 Skills, 12-2, 81FE, invite going from 16 to 21 PP's and 73 to 81 FE) Have not graduated: (23 PP's, 156 Skills, 12-1, 37FE). |
| 2 Ratings | 17 | - | 2 | 40 | 14 | - | Graduating without 3 ratings simply takes time. These are the best approximations available for graduating warriors without the 3 ratings requirement. Variations have been seen. Since Assur's return in 2010, these criteria have been inconsistent. |
| 1 Rating | 17 | - | 1 | 50 (40?) | 14 | - | see above |
| No Ratings | 17 | - | 0 | 60 (50?) | 14 | - | see above |
| High Skills | - | - | - | - | - | 165 | Originally the number was between 155-160. It is higher now. These are manual pulls |
| Under 20 Arena Fights | 30 | 31-35? | 3 | ? | 14 | - | Lower skilled warriors can graduate before 20 arena fights. Warriors in this category: (30 PP's, 105 Skills, 17-2, 34 FE) (36 PP's, 98 Skills, 14-4, 31 FE - got invite on 14th win). (Fly Fisher, DM 21 -30 PP's, 115 Skills, 17-1, 37 FE got invite going from 25 to 30 PP's). (30PP's, 137 Skills, 14-5-2, 35FE invite going from 30 to 35FE). One warrior did not graduate with 29FE (42 PP's, 115 Skills, 17-2, 29 FE) |
| Under 14 Arena Wins | 17 | 30? | 3 | 20? | ?? | 115? | Currently, only a single data point for this graduation. The warrior got his invite the turn he passed 17 PP's. 18 PP's, 116 Skills, 13-9, 42 FE. This warrior did NOT graduate: (Milk is Out, 36 PP's, 110 skills, 13-14, 30FE)) |
| 100 FE | ?? | 100 | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | Duff of Illis graduated at 8-95 as a Sandbagger right around the time this clause was added. Since then, others have graduated with 100 FE. Reports of dead warriors graduating with 100 FE have also been heard. |
| Challengers TV/TC | Any warrior that TV's/TC's in the challenger class runs the risk of being pulled manually, regardless of other factors. | ||||||
| 17 PP's + ?? + High Skills | 17 | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? | Similar to the 10 wins + 125 skills, there are other breakpoints that do not require 10 wins. They have higher skill total requirements. (One grad: 145 skills, 30PP's, 15-3, 29FE) |
Data Points for graduations and non-graduations. Listed as reported, very little verification is being done on these. One assumes that as more data points come in, the errors will become evident.
| PP's | Total Skills | Arena Record | FE | Graduated? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 27 | 147 | 11-2 | 34 | No |
| 22 | 114-117 | 14-1 | 27 | No |
| 22 | 133 | 13-0 | 35 | No |
| 34 | ?? | 13-0 | 35 | No |
| 24 | 134 | 9-2 | 30 | No |
| 42 | 115 | 17-2 | 29 | No |
| 36 | 110 | 13-14 | 30 | No |
| 41 | 140 | 17-0 | 30 | No |
| 44 | 126-129? | 15-0 | 30 | No |
| 24 | 136 | 14-0 | 36 | Yes |
| 17 | 156 | 11-3 | 38 | Yes |
| 29 | 142 | 10-2 | 34 | Yes |
| 30 | 105 | 17-2 | 34 | Yes |
| 36 | 98 | 14-4 | 31 | Yes |
| 30 | 115 | 17-1 | 37 | Yes |
| 30 | 137 | 14-5 | 35 | Yes |
| 18 | 116 | 13-9 | 42 | Yes |
| 30 | 145 | 15-3 | 29 | Yes |
| 21+ | 126 | 15-3 | 31 | Yes |